Voices of Search // A Search Engine Optimization (SEO) & Content Marketing Podcast
I Hear Everything
Dive deep into the ever-changing world of content and search engine marketing. Discover actionable strategies and learn ways to gain insights through data that will help you navigate the topsy-turvy world of SEO.
Dive deep into the ever-changing world of content and search engine marketing. Discover actionable strategies and learn ways to gain insights through data that will help you navigate the topsy-turvy world of SEO.
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Episodes
Is working in-house or at an agency the better career move for SEO professionals in today's rapidly changing search landscape? The answer might surprise you. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
SEO job postings aren't shrinking; they're being retitled and redistributed. Tyson Stockton is COO and Co-Founder of Previsible, an AI discovery agency serving enterprise teams, and a former VP of Client Services at Searchmetrics who has hired roughly 80 SEOs and led Previsible's 2025 SEO job study. He covers repositioning legacy SEO experience for AEO and GEO roles, including crawl log analysis across multiple AI bots, experimentation, content chunking, query fan-outs, and off-page citations. He also outlines how to report on business KPIs rather than leading indicators when AI search attribution is limited, and how to screen candidates for adaptability. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Four acronyms now compete to define search: GEO, SEO, AEO and LLMO. Jordan Koene is CEO and Co-Founder of Previsible, the AI discovery agency he founded in 2020. He previously served as CEO of Searchmetrics Inc. and Head of SEO and Content Development at eBay. He explains why Previsible positions around "AI Discovery" instead of committing to a single acronym while the discipline's boundaries are still being defined. The conversation covers category-level positioning for an agency in an unsettled market and leadership through ongoing change in AI search. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Over 1,900 episodes have turned search conversations into compounding practitioner knowledge. Jordan Koene, CEO and Co-Founder of Previsible, the AI discovery agency serving enterprise teams, previously led Searchmetrics Inc. as CEO and ran SEO and content development at eBay. The conversation covers leading through AI search and treating every practitioner exchange as a source of strategic learning. Note: the transcript excerpt is a single comment from the producer and contains no discussion of specific frameworks or strategies, so I listed none rather than invent them. Send the full transcript if you want a version with 2-3 named frameworks. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
The transcript only covers the opening "perfect day" question, where Jordan talks about baseball with friends and family. It has no SEO data, frameworks, or strategies, so I can't write the data-driven opener or the framework sentences without inventing them. Here is a description limited to what the transcript and bio support: Jordan Koene is CEO and Co-Founder of Previsible, the AI discovery agency he launched in 2020 with Tyson Stockton and David Bell. He previously served as CEO of Searchmetrics Inc. and Head of SEO and Content Development at eBay. This opening segment covers his background and how he spends a perfect day, from the baseball field with friends and family. If you send the rest of the transcript, covering the "Leading Through AI Search" discussion, I'll write the full version with the data-led opener and the specific frameworks. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Organic traffic down 30% while revenue holds flat points to an attribution problem, not a visibility problem. Jordan Koene, CEO and Co-Founder of Previsible, former CEO of Searchmetrics Inc. and former Head of SEO and Content Development at eBay, advises nearly 100 enterprise clients through the shift to AI discovery. He outlines why synthetic prompt-based visibility scores should give way to lagging KPIs such as revenue, conversion, and product-category attribution, with first-party revenue, sales, and signup tables as the source of truth for what drives brand selection. He also covers a brand-asset hygiene framework (help centers, pricing, and about pages, plus review volume and freshness, citation coverage, and backlink freshness) and a "follow the money" budget approach that keeps Google as the core channel while funding ChatGPT citation work. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Paywalled education filters out talent before hiring begins. Venkata Pagadala, AI Product Manager for Search at AT&T, argues that financial barriers to learning hide capable candidates from employers. He defines work as a profit-sharing exchange of human time and skills, and education as a separate good that money should not restrict. He makes the case for open-access education as a talent-sourcing strategy, because a public knowledge base widens the candidate pool and lets business owners hire the right person. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Enterprise SEO teams can turn first-party data into better search results. Venkata Pagadala is AI Product Manager for Search at AT&T, where he works on agentic AI for enterprise SEO. The conversation covers how enterprise teams use their own data to build a deeper understanding of consumers, and how vibe coding fits into that workflow. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Teams solve classification problems manually, then repeat the same work. Venkata Pagadala, AI Product Manager for Search at AT&T, builds agentic AI systems for enterprise SEO. He covers documenting each solved problem in structured systems such as Obsidian or Notion, so AI agents can run the next classification. He also covers turning a manual solution into a repeatable system as soon as the problem is solved, and using voice input like Whisper Flow, since people speak about twice as fast as they type. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
SEO, AEO, and GEO now compete as labels for the same enterprise discipline. Venkata Pagadala, AI Product Manager for Search at AT&T, leads agentic AI work for enterprise search. The conversation covers turning first-party data into deeper consumer understanding, applying agentic AI to enterprise SEO workflows, and treating search as the core discipline with AEO and GEO as facets of it. *Note: the transcript provided covers only the opening exchange. It has no statistics, results, or detailed frameworks, so I left them out rather than invent them. Share the full transcript if you want specific metrics and strategies added.* See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Agentic AI workflows fail without classified first-party data. Venkata Pagadala, AI Product Manager for Search at AT&T, classified 5.8 million queries, removed 3 million noise queries, and uses the resulting persona-based insights to build mockups that win leadership buy-in. He outlines a competitor-navigation and Wikipedia-driven L1/L2/L3 taxonomy that surfaces zero-search-volume, high-intent demand from Reddit, Quora, and YouTube, plus a UGC-based research framework that treats reviews, ratings, and brand response rates as primary inputs. He also covers persona-based query fan-outs as a replacement for single-prompt tracking, and documentation systems that let AI agents repeat classification at scale. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Google confirmed the August 26 spam update. Kaspar Szymanski, Senior Director at SearchBrothers.com, is a former senior member of Google's Search team with hands-on webspam enforcement experience, and he now leads penalty recovery for businesses. His first immediate step for impacted sites is to save and preserve server logs. Logs show how bots interact with the site, and on large sites with high landing page volume they become a critical diagnostic asset, though they do not replace the instant analysis the update demands. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Every rejected reconsideration request raises the recovery bar. Kaspar Szymanski, Senior Director at SearchBrothers and former senior member of the Google Search team, brings hands-on experience in search policy and webspam enforcement. He now leads penalty recovery for businesses. He explains why submitting a reconsideration request before diagnosing the root issue is the most common and costly mistake. Each rejection erodes trust on the permanent record, so the next request needs far more remediation to succeed. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Google Search Console gives no clear-cut warning of an impending manual action. Kaspar Szymanski, Senior Director at SearchBrothers and former senior member of Google's Search team with hands-on webspam enforcement experience, now helps businesses recover from Google penalties. He explains why increased crawler activity in specific site sections is the only potential warning sign, and why it produces many false positives. He also covers how to separate real risk from benign causes such as new external references, internal linking changes, and trending query demand. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
AI-generated content at scale can trigger Google penalties. Kaspar Szymanski, Senior Director at SearchBrothers.com and former senior member of Google's Search team with hands-on webspam enforcement experience, helps businesses recover from Google penalties. He explains why human oversight, a defined editorial process, and quality assurance determine whether AI-assisted content creates penalty risk. He also covers building content for users rather than for Googlebot as the standard for scaled production. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Google's August 2026 Spam Update is being misread as an AI penalty. Kaspar Szymanski, Senior Director at SearchBrothers.com and a former senior member of the Google Search team, brings hands-on experience in search policy and webspam enforcement. He explains why sites using AI are being affected without production method being the trigger: Google flags low-quality sites based on the quality of their output. The discussion separates how content is produced from how it is evaluated. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Spam updates and manual actions are hitting sites simultaneously. Kaspar Szymanski, Senior Director at SearchBrothers and former senior member of Google's Search team, has led penalty recoveries for businesses where visibility dropped abruptly and has hands-on experience in webspam enforcement. He outlines a post-update investigation sequence: Search Console manual action check, long-term server log retention, multi-crawler audits, and a holistic review of technical, content, and off-page signals. He also covers the case against sitting out a penalty, the risk of premature reconsideration requests, and penalty-proofing through human QA oversight on AI content, Bing and brand diversification, and annual policy compliance audits. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Organizational silos remain the top barrier to AI search success. Siiri Lee, Senior Director of Global Direct-to-Consumer at MANSCAPED, brings over two decades of experience scaling DTC and omnichannel ecommerce operations to the conversation. The discussion covers reframing AI-driven search as a cross-functional organizational mandate rather than a single-department initiative, aligning GEO and AEO workstreams across traditional SEO team boundaries, and restructuring internal processes to match the pace at which search behavior is evolving. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Off-site signals now outweigh on-site control in AI search. Siiri Lee, Senior Director of Global Direct-to-Consumer at MANSCAPED, brings two decades of experience scaling DTC and omnichannel ecommerce through conversion optimization, personalization, retention, and loyalty programs. She breaks down why on-site levers remain the most controllable investment even as off-site signals gain weight, and outlines a framework for aligning previously siloed teams around one holistic narrative and shared discovery objectives. The conversation frames cross-functional alignment, not channel-specific tactics, as the foundation for scaling AI search performance. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
AI is changing the way people discover information online—and SEO is no longer the responsibility of just one team. This episode explores the future of search, including AEO and GEO, and how businesses can adapt to AI-driven discovery. The conversation dives into decentralized SEO ownership, cross-functional collaboration, agency partnerships, and the importance of building strong relationships across marketing, PR, engineering, content, and other teams. Discover practical insights on how organizations can move faster, make smarter decisions, and stay ahead as the search landscape continues to evolve. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Structured data specialization will separate winners from also-rans in AI search. Alex Sherman, co-founder and CEO of Bluefish AI, brings that perspective from building PromoteIQ, the retail media platform Microsoft acquired, and now serving Fortune 500 brands exclusively on AI discovery accuracy. He argues AEO and agentic marketing are still in their earliest innings, with today's do-everything platforms giving way to segment-specific players—data, analytics, optimization, measurement, and paid media specialists forming a new "lumascape." Sherman predicts a wave of new entrants within 12 months as the category matures past its generalist phase into genuine specialization. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
The SEO versus AEO debate misses the point entirely. Alex Sherman, co-founder and CEO of Bluefish AI, previously built and sold PromoteIQ to Microsoft, giving him rare perspective on how marketing channels transform at scale. He argues that treating search and agent optimization as competing disciplines is a losing strategy, that historical marketing channel shifts consistently open doors for new talent and new market entrants, and that brands need to prepare now for customer journeys increasingly mediated by AI agents rather than waiting for the split between human and agentic traffic to fully materialize. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Brand data will define AI search visibility next year. Alex Sherman, co-founder and CEO of Bluefish AI, previously built and sold PromoteIQ to Microsoft before turning to AI-driven discovery infrastructure. He breaks down what structured, syndicated brand data built specifically for large language models looks like in practice, and why the agentic customer journey demands a new data toolkit heading into the holiday season. The discussion centers on why brand data is poised to become a more powerful lever for AI visibility than it was through 2025. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Most brands fight AI inaccuracies in the wrong place. Alex Sherman, co-founder and CEO of Bluefish AI and former co-founder of PromoteIQ (acquired by Microsoft), now helps enterprise brands close AI accuracy gaps across search and discovery platforms. He outlines why first-party content and direct data feeds to models outperform third-party correction efforts, how large language models increasingly weight brand-verified information over unverified sources like forum commentary, and the diagnostic framework brands need to identify where their AI accuracy gaps actually originate. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Roughly 20% of AI search responses contain factual inaccuracies. Alex Sherman, co-founder and CEO of Bluefish, an AI accuracy and visibility platform serving Fortune 500 brands, previously co-founded PromoteIQ, a retail media platform acquired by Microsoft. He outlines a first-party content strategy for closing model knowledge gaps, a systematic diagnostic-and-measurement framework for tracking post-optimization accuracy improvement, and a matrix-organization model for aligning search, content, commerce, and compliance teams around a single agentic marketing mandate. Sherman also details the shift toward structured brand data feeds as the next scalable pathway for influencing how models represent products and services. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Blomma makes career support accessible to everyone, breaking down barriers that have traditionally limited who gets access to quality career guidance. The company is on a mission to democratize career development so that anyone can find the support they need to have impact and navigate this new era of work. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
AI proficiency now determines entry-level career trajectory. Silvia Oviedo López, Co-founder and CEO of Blomma who previously led global content discovery and international growth teams at Pinterest and Canva, argues organizations must abandon specialist-first hiring for zero-to-three-year professionals. She outlines a generalist-first talent model built on rapid skill acquisition, redefines the specialist-versus-generalist tradeoff for AI-native teams, and details what an AI-ready organizational culture requires at scale. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Enterprise coaching at scale demands more than generic AI advice. Silvia Oviedo López, Co-founder and CEO of Blomma and former leader of 1,500-person teams at Canva and Pinterest, shares how she's building AI-powered coaching infrastructure that personalizes context across career transitions. The conversation covers a vision-plan-execution framework for organizational transformation, portable coaching context that persists as employees change jobs, and a proactive coaching model that surfaces threaded guidance rather than waiting for reactive prompts. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
SEO rankings may soon become invisible metrics behind AI-driven recommendations. Jason Lax, senior SEO and AI expert at SAP with nearly two decades in search, is leading the enterprise shift from traditional SEO into AEO and GEO. He reframes success around recommendation and recognition—being cited as the answer validator rather than just the click-through destination. The discussion centers on redefining ranking as a proxy signal, treating citations as trust recommendations, and building measurement frameworks that track recognition within AI-generated answers rather than page position alone. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Only 34% of AI model citations align with brand-recommended positioning today. Jason Lax, senior SEO and AI expert at SAP, brings nearly two decades of search experience now focused on evolving enterprise strategy for AEO and GEO. He outlines a framework for prompting AI models directly to surface why they aren't recommending your brand, then converting those gaps into cross-functional tactics spanning product, pricing, and promotion. The discussion moves beyond ranking-driven SEO toward using AI model feedback as a diagnostic layer for pricing and product positioning challenges. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Sessions and visits mislead teams as AI absorbs informational search intent. Jason Lax, senior SEO and AI expert at SAP with nearly two decades of search experience now leading AEO and GEO strategy, breaks down why declining traffic volume can mask rising engagement quality. He details how to layer conversion data and engagement dimensions alongside session counts to distinguish true visibility loss from a healthier, higher-intent traffic mix, and outlines the metric framework enterprise teams need as AI reshapes the top of the funnel. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Marketers routinely misjudge which AI platforms their actual audience uses. Jason Lax, senior SEO and AI expert at SAP with nearly two decades in search now leading AEO and GEO strategy, argues platform prioritization should never be assumption-driven. He outlines a cross-platform measurement framework that tracks performance across every AI search surface rather than defaulting to personal usage patterns, paired with audience-segmented analysis that accounts for enterprise tool restrictions and generational usage splits to reveal true visibility gaps. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
76% of marketers still treat AI search as a separate content channel. Jason Lax, senior SEO and AI expert at SAP, argues this misconception is costing enterprise teams their competitive edge as he transitions his nearly two-decade SEO practice into AEO and GEO. He reframes the core measurement shift from ranking position to mention-worthiness, applying the same foundational SEO fundamentals rather than building parallel content strategies for AI-driven search surfaces. The discussion centers on unifying content strategy across traditional and AI search rather than fragmenting resources across separate channels. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Rankings no longer predict whether buyers choose your brand. Jason Lax, senior SEO and AI expert at SAP, has spent nearly two decades building the company's global organic program and now leads its shift into AEO and GEO across dozens of markets. He details SAP's technical-plus-content split strategy, using LLM citation gaps and "why weren't we recommended" prompt audits to surface product and positioning issues, and reframes measurement around model consensus and citation quality rather than session volume alone. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Google's shift toward "agentic everything" will redefine how search assistants act on users' behalf. Tasia Custode, founder and CEO of Brio Media, breaks down her post-Google I/O predictions on where agentic search is headed next. She outlines how agentic search is already surfacing in Gemini, Chrome, and core Search functionality, and explains the evolution from static AI Overviews to assistants that complete tasks autonomously across devices. The conversation covers the shift from software-based agentic features to product-level integration across smart devices, speakers, and phones as the next frontier for search strategy. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
AI-generated video content is evolving beyond short, generic clips. Tasia Custode of Brio Media examines the trajectory of multimodal AI video generation as tools like Google Flow mature. The discussion centers on the shift from disjointed 8-second AI clips toward storyboarded, structured scenes with narrative continuity. Custode identifies character consistency and scene continuity as the key technical thresholds separating experimental AI video output from production-ready content. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Creator consistency separates thriving channels from abandoned ones. Tasia Custode, founder and CEO of Brio Media, breaks down why sustainable content strategy starts with genuine passion rather than prescribed niches. She unpacks the discipline required to sustain publishing consistency over time and explains why authentic, interest-driven topic selection outperforms formulaic channel planning. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
The transcript provided only contains the opening icebreaker exchange (Jordan asking about a discontinued Google product, Tasia answering "Google Reader") — it cuts off before any actual SEO discussion begins. There's no content here about challenges, strategies, frameworks, or results tied to Tasia's work at Brio Media. Since the instructions explicitly say not to assume what the conversation was about, I can't responsibly fabricate the "data-driven challenge," "proven results," or "frameworks/strategies discussed" the task requires — none of that appears in the excerpt. Could you share the rest of the transcript (or at least the portion covering the substantive SEO discussion), or provide the guest bio / company description? Any of those would give me the real content needed to write an accurate description. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Content teams lose brand voice consistency across collaborative drafts. Tasia Custode, founder and CEO of Brio Media, breaks down an underused capability inside Google Workspace for enterprise content teams. She details Gemini's Refine feature in Google Docs, showing how to highlight a collaborator's edit and match it to brand voice or personal style with one click. She also outlines using the same feature to rewrite underperforming copy on demand, streamlining editorial consistency across team-authored content. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
YouTube view-to-subscriber ratios are declining as AI search expands into video. Tasia Custode, Founder and CEO of Brio Media, has published content weekly since 2020, building sustained audience growth by prioritizing helpfulness over virality. The conversation examines agentic search's shift from information retrieval to task completion, the monetization and attribution risks AI-generated summaries pose to creator watch time and citation value, and a performance framework built on click-through rate, retention data, and brand partnership signals rather than vanity metrics. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Most AEO strategies fail without strong SEO fundamentals in place. Jenna Hannon, founder and CEO of Hatter and former early marketing hire at Uber Eats, has built an AI search agency helping brands establish visibility across Google and AI-generated answers. The conversation covers positioning exercises as the foundation for AI search strategy, message consistency frameworks drawn from product marketing discipline, and execution models for maintaining brand coherence across traditional and AI-driven search surfaces. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Programmatic AI content strategies are already failing marketers. Jenna Hannon, founder and CEO of Hatter and former first marketing hire at Uber Eats, built one of the first agencies dedicated to AI search visibility after watching volume-based, programmatic page tactics spike and then crash. She breaks down why classic SEO shortcuts—keyword stuffing and arbitrary content length—collapse under AI search evaluation, and why answer engine optimization depends on stronger fundamental content quality rather than production volume. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Broad keyword targeting is quietly undermining AI search visibility. Jenna Hannon, founder and CEO of Hatter and former first marketing hire at Uber Eats, has built an AEO agency helping brands get discovered across Google and AI answer engines after advising companies like Multisensor AI, FORM Kitchens, and Kyte as a fractional CMO. She breaks down why keyword specificity now outperforms broad-match traffic grabs, how legacy SEO habits actively hurt AI search performance, and what product marketing rigor brings to building durable AI visibility strategy. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
AI search visibility now hinges on fundamentals most brands abandoned years ago. Jenna Hannon, founder and CEO of Hatter and former first marketing hire at Uber Eats, built one of the first agencies dedicated to AI search visibility after scaling global growth operations and serving as fractional CMO for companies including Multisensor AI and Kyte. She unpacks why AEO performance is built on foundational SEO discipline rather than a separate playbook, and why treating strategy as an AI-replaceable function misreads what actually drives purchase intent. The conversation centers on using AI to scale execution while keeping human synthesis of customer motivation as the non-negotiable core of the strategy layer. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Most SEOs assume AI visibility requires an omnichannel content spread. Jenna Hannon, founder and CEO of Hatter, scaled Uber Eats as one of its first marketing hires and now runs an AI search agency advising fractional CMO clients including Multisensor AI and FORM Kitchens. She outlines how to run an AI visibility audit to benchmark brand and competitor citations across generative engines, exposing which source types actually drive AI answer inclusion. The discussion reframes AEO as an extension of proven SEO fundamentals rather than a separate, channel-hungry discipline. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Only one-third of Google searches now click through to the open web. Jenna Hannon, founder and CEO of Hatter and former product marketing lead at Uber Eats, argues that AEO success depends on marketing fundamentals, not channel-hacking. She and Tyson break down why brand differentiation and positioning outperform multi-channel content sprawl, how AI visibility metrics like citation frequency and sentiment are replacing traditional traffic-based attribution, and why keyword specificity now beats broad-volume targeting in an AI-driven search landscape. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
AI platforms increasingly reward customer-focused product content over technical specifications. Lucas Tieleman, co-founder and CEO of Optiversal and former Chief Product Officer at Bazaarvoice, has helped enterprise retailers convert static product catalogs into machine-readable content that performs across traditional search and AI-driven discovery. The conversation covers why answer engine optimization depends on strong underlying SEO fundamentals, how AI is reshaping the way brands approach search visibility, and why translating product specifications into customer benefits matters more than increasing content volume. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Volume-based keyword content is quietly undermining search performance. Lucas Tieleman, CEO and co-founder of Optiversal, has helped major enterprise retailers convert static product catalogs into machine-readable content that performs across both search and AI platforms, building on experience as former Chief Product Officer at Bazaarvoice. The conversation breaks down why "sloptimization"—churning out keyword-driven posts without added value—undermines both rankings and revenue, why answer engine optimization depends on strong underlying SEO fundamentals rather than replacing them, and how transforming product data into structured, machine-readable assets drives visibility across traditional and AI-driven search. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Two identical searches now return different results across AI platforms, upending ranking logic. Lucas Tieleman, co-founder and CEO of Optiversal and former Chief Product Officer at Bazaarvoice, helps enterprise retailers convert static product catalogs into machine-readable content optimized for AI-driven discovery. He argues that answer engine optimization depends on strong SEO fundamentals rather than a separate discipline, and that success now hinges on content relevance to individual searchers rather than fixed position rankings. Tieleman outlines how brands can use performance data to validate whether their content actually serves shopper intent, shifting content strategy from volume-based production to measurable relevance. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
AI Overviews now appear in 40% of Google searches, up from 6% in six months. Lucas Tieleman, co-founder of Optiversal, helps enterprise retailers turn static product catalogs into machine-readable content that performs across Google, ChatGPT, and Google Merchant Center. He breaks down why structured data and clean entity relationships matter more now than five years ago, how to optimize product feeds for AI search's "product graph," and why shifting from "test and learn" to "learn and test" prevents scaling content without scaling value. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.